FAQ
Outdoor Living in Sherman Oaks, answered
The questions we hear most from Sherman Oaks homeowners.
Think of it as building rooms without walls. The usual pieces are a paver or stone patio, a cooking island with a grill and counter space, a fire pit or a masonry fireplace, and something overhead, whether that is a pergola, a solid cover, or a louvered roof. Around those we shape a dining zone and a lounge zone so the space has a purpose rather than one open slab. Water features get added where the sound is worth it. Everything sits on prepared base and footings, and the utilities are in the ground before the finish surface arrives.
Underground first, always. We trench and run the gas, water, and electrical lines to where the grill, lighting, heaters, and any fountain will live. Footings for heavy items such as a fireplace, an island, or the posts of a cover get formed and poured next. Base material goes in and is compacted in lifts. Only then does the paving or stone go down, followed by the structure overhead and the finish carpentry or masonry. Doing it in this sequence is the reason we are not cutting a trench through a brand new patio six months later.
South of the boulevard the ground climbs toward Mulholland, and a usable outdoor room usually has to be created rather than found. That means terracing, retaining walls sized for the load behind them, and engineered drainage so water leaves the pad instead of sitting behind a wall. Footings go deeper and get more attention on slope. Level areas become valuable, so we tend to plan fewer, better placed rooms rather than scattering features across the property. The upside is real, since those lots often look out over the valley and the layout can be built around that.
Generally yes. North of the boulevard the lots are flat and conventional, so the yard already gives you a level plane to build on, and grading becomes a matter of setting fall for drainage rather than carving out a pad. Equipment gets in through a side yard without much drama, and material can be staged close to the work. That usually means more of the budget goes into the finishes you actually see, larger patios, better stone, a proper cover, instead of into the structural work that a slope demands.
Yes, and we would rather pull them than pretend otherwise. Anything structural overhead, a solid cover, a louvered roof, or an attached patio structure, is permitted work in most cases. New gas runs and new electrical circuits are as well. We handle the applications, the plans that go with them, and the inspections, so the finished work is documented and does not surface as a problem when the house sells. Permits also force the footing and framing details to be right, which is not a bad thing for anybody.
No. Daniels Landscaping works under one licensed contractor, and the people who show up on the first morning are the same people who finish the job. There is one accountable contractor between you and the work, no crew you have never met setting your footings, and no scheduling gaps while somebody else fits you in. It also means the standard stays the same from the trenching all the way through the final detail, because one team carries the entire build from start to finish.
Each has a case. Pavers flex slightly with ground movement and can be lifted and reset if a utility ever needs attention, which matters on soil that moves. Poured concrete gives you a clean continuous plane and works well with a modern house, though it will eventually show control joints and hairlines. Natural stone reads the most refined and suits the older established streets, but it costs more in both material and labor because every piece is fitted. We usually walk the samples on site in daylight, since color reads differently there than in a showroom.
A real footing, not the patio surface. A grill island loaded with stone or tile veneer, a countertop, and appliances is heavy, and a fireplace is heavier still. Those get their own footings, sized and poured into undisturbed soil, with reinforcement where the load calls for it. The same goes for the posts of a cover, which carry both weight and wind load. When someone tells you a fireplace can simply sit on top of pavers, that is how you end up with a leaning chimney and a cracked field two winters later.
It gets trenched from the meter before any surface work begins. The line is sized for the total demand, so a grill, a side burner, a fire pit, and a heater are all accounted for rather than starved. Shutoffs go in where they can be reached. The run is pressure tested and inspected, then buried at the required depth and marked on the plan. Retrofitting gas after a patio is finished means cutting into work you just paid for, which is why this is one of the first things we settle.
More than most people expect. Outlets at the island and along the seating area, switched circuits for the cover lighting, a dedicated run if there is a refrigerator or a heater, low voltage for path and step lighting, and a spare sleeve or two left empty for whatever gets added later. Conduit is placed while the ground is open and mapped so nobody has to guess about it in five years. It is inexpensive to include now and disruptive to add once stone is set, so we plan it early.
Shade and rain are the dividing line. A pergola breaks up sun with an open rafter pattern and keeps the sky visible, but it will not keep you dry. A solid cover blocks sun and rain completely and can carry a ceiling, fans, and lighting, though it darkens the room behind it. A louvered roof gives you both, since the blades rotate open for light and close against rain. Louvered systems cost the most and need properly sized posts and footings. The right pick depends on exposure and on what the interior room behind it needs.
Clay drains slowly and moves with the seasons, swelling wet and shrinking dry, so the base under the surface matters more than the surface itself. We over excavate, bring in the correct aggregate, and compact in layers rather than dumping and rolling once. Drainage gets designed so water is carried away instead of sitting under the paving. Footings are set deep enough to sit below the zone that moves the most. Skip that work and the prettiest stone in the valley will still telegraph every crack the soil hands it.
Usually yes, with adjustments. Mature trees have root zones that extend well past the canopy, and cutting through them for footings or trenches can destabilize a tree you want to keep. We locate the roots first, route utility runs around the critical zone, and hand dig near the trunk where that is warranted. Paving in those areas often works better as pavers on a flexible base, which tolerates root movement better than a rigid slab. Canopy shade shapes the design too, since a covered structure under heavy canopy can make a space genuinely dark.
Bigger than the drawing suggests. A dining table for six with the chairs pulled out needs roughly twelve by fourteen feet before anyone can walk behind a seated guest. A lounge grouping around a fire pit wants a similar footprint plus room to circulate around it. When we plan, we lay out the real furniture dimensions rather than generic shapes, and we leave a walking path so people are not squeezing between a chair and a wall. It is far cheaper to add three feet on paper than to widen a finished patio later.
That is usually the right move on the hillside side of Sherman Oaks. We establish where the view actually opens from, and it is often not where the existing patio sits, then place the lounge seating and the dining area to face it. Overhead structures get positioned so a beam does not cut across the sightline. Railing and wall heights are set to sit below eye level from a seated position. Planting near the edge is kept low or chosen for its mature height, so it frames the view rather than erasing it in four years.
It changes quite a lot. If a machine cannot reach the work area, material moves by hand or by smaller equipment, and that affects both the schedule and the cost. Narrow driveways, tight side yards, and steep approaches all factor in. We walk the access route before we price anything and tell you plainly what it means for the project. Sometimes it makes sense to shift a design toward materials that arrive in manageable pieces rather than something requiring a machine that simply cannot get there.
We do, and the honest advice is to build fewer and better. A basin, a spillway wall, or a quiet bubbler placed where you actually sit does more than an elaborate feature in a corner nobody visits. Water features need a footing, a sealed basin, a properly sized pump, an electrical circuit, and a water line, all of which we set during the underground phase. Access for cleaning and pump service gets designed in from the start, because a feature that is a chore to maintain is a feature that gets switched off.
Call us at (818) 443-9300 and we will set up a time to walk your property. On that visit we look at grade, access, sun, existing structures, and where you already spend time outside, then talk through what is realistic for the space. You receive a free written estimate that lays out the scope so you can read it line by line rather than guess at what is included. Daniels Landscaping is licensed in California, number 1138709, and the crew that prices the job is the crew that builds it.